CS4 Should Be?

[ferret]

Very simple.

What should CS4 be? The server is very active and there's no TRUE REASON to change it. So this is mostly information gathering, I may not do anything.

Vote and comment.

[Satanic_Hamster]

FF
BUT
Remove all the deathmatch maps. Just stock and good customs.

[pop-up-target]

voted for FF. but, maybe a few less of the stock maps and more customs that way if EVERY MAP that gets voted for is a STOCK (gags) then we could be assured of playing some of the customs in a different server.

[4matic]

i think hamster's idea is good. maybe have every map nominateable?

[Mountain_Dew-R-]

FF
BUT
Remove all the deathmatch maps. Just stock and good customs.

[Scorpion]

FF
BUT
Remove all the deathmatch maps. Just stock and good customs.

[Blitzer]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[Smeg]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[Satanic_Hamster]

i think hamster's idea is good. maybe have every map nominateable?

Maybe pre-setup, have a mapvote?

List out every map available / people want, do a vote, top 35-50 go into the servers rotation? Give people a time to suggest what extra maps they want, list any objections to certain maps. Remove ones that are bugged / grosely unfair.

Also... I'd LOVE to see (and I know Ferret hates this :( ) some weapons buying restrictions on some maps. T's have no awps/autosnipes to purchase (but can steal) on maps like assault, militia, siege.

[Snowman]

I voted for another FF server. I would want it slightly different than the one we already have, I'm just not sure how it should be different. We have had all custom map servers in the past, nobody played on them......

[Blitzer]

I voted for another FF server. I would want it slightly different than the one we already have, I'm just not sure how it should be different. We have had all custom map servers in the past, nobody played on them......

that was then, this is now. i think we have seen enough outcry from the community for more customs. remember the days on paniq, all customs and always full. i dont see why this couldnt be the case again. i for one, would frequent that server more if i knew i would be playing fun customs. lets face it, the stock maps are just so damn old! even playing a different version of them is better than nothing. maybe the server includes a map voting system where 4 maps are customs and one stock. maybe that way the stocks still have a chance of being played? on the nominations side, people could only nominate up to 4 customs, and the stock map would generate automatically as a choice. also, if people dont nominate, the same thing applies in that 4 random customs are chosen, with one stock. just an idea :lol:

[kael]

Whats the something else ferret?

[Satanic_Hamster]

Something which you'll post about if that's your choice.

Oh, and get me a signed "Mikey Rules" tshirt already.

[[NAKED] Dusto]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[acme420]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[Talon Karrde]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[Fist]

Do you guys remember we had a custom server?

It was full for 1-2 weeks, then it slowly died. It stayed alive due to Athena and her crew playing everytime on it.

It was the same for NS. Been full for a few weeks, then people stopped and it died.

CS 1.6 doesn't die, if there's stock maps on it. I'm sure people don't mind playing custom's once a few maps, but most people prefer stock maps since the 1.6 server being always full and never slowing.

[Uthor]

I remember MAWG and FCS having a good selection of customs and playing customs about once for every two regular maps and that lasting for years.

But, I've moved on to CS:S, so I'm not gonna vote.

[acme420]

yeah fist i remember. i also remember that all fymaps were banned from it, and any fun maps period and it was just de_and cs_ customs...like predator, greenhouse, and ....predator. you know those crappy customs everyone leaves on cuz theyre so unbalanced and wack.

[wtf]

one custom one stock

[Nades-GanjaErk]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[Satanic_Hamster]

yeah fist i remember. i also remember that all fymaps were banned from it, and any fun maps period and it was just de_and cs_ customs...like predator, greenhouse, and ....predator. you know those crappy customs everyone leaves on cuz theyre so unbalanced and wack.

Oddly, predator and greenhouse have all stayed full the entire time every time I've seen them come up on the server in the past... Year.

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[Satanic_Hamster]

My Unified Vision:
* 1.6 FF Server
* No deathmatch maps.
* Rotation / map selection will include 30-50 maps max.
* Voting will be limited to four choices.
* Choice 1 will be a stock, locked.
* Stocks can't be nominated.
* No map can be played until six maps have been played.
* Once a month or so the map selection/rotation will be reviewed by the community. Seldom played / unpopular / hated maps will be taken out, good finds by the community / good Bale creations will be put in.
* Weapons restrictions.
* Maps that wouldn't suck so much if one side has some buying restrictions would have weapons restrictions. Specificially, sniper rifles for T's on maps like Militia, Siege, and Assault.

I like the stock maps. They're fun. But not for every map. I love customs, but not for every map. I want to see Vegas. I want to see Yemen. I want to see arabstreets2k. I want to see tundra.

[Nefarious]

i believe ferret has said there will NEVER be any weapon restrictions, and i agree with him.

[acme420]

* Weapons restrictions.
* Maps that wouldn't suck so much if one side has some buying restrictions would have weapons restrictions. Specificially, sniper rifles for T's on maps like Militia, Siege, and Assault.


when the new maps load we can have the intro screen read.
"Welcome to the deadest server on the internet. enjoy your stay"

[Satanic_Hamster]

Then you may as well take militia, assault, and siege out totally. Without some buying restrictions, those maps are just total suckfests for the ct's. Even WITH buying restrictions, the t's still all end up with awps as they take 'em off ct's.

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[Ness]

Then what's the use in weapon restrictions if the T's win anyway?

[Satanic_Hamster]

Give the CT's a bit more of a fighting chance. Sadly, a lot of the really good players in CS are also statwhoring bastards and will go to T regardless.

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Currently listening to Clarence "Gatemouth" Brown's a Long Way Home

[snugglz]

Sadly Satanic

its not the map that makes it one sided
nor will it ever be
its the players

weapon restrictions would do shit to help the one sidedness as most of the good players in gh can do just as good with an awp as an ak or galil

if people wouldn't all stack one side at the beginning of each map , which will never happen, then it'd be fair

but it never will

so there's no point in saying weapon restrictions everytime you're on the wrong side of the bullet

[wtf]

your not gonna stop anyone from stacking, sadly everyone wants to play on the winning team because its more fun, when tap plays theres usually a tap player on each team...

[wtf]

Sadly Satanic

its not the map that makes it one sided
nor will it ever be
its the players

weapon restrictions would do shit to help the one sidedness as most of the good players in gh can do just as good with an awp as an ak or galil

if people wouldn't all stack one side at the beginning of each map , which will never happen, then it'd be fair

but it never will

so there's no point in saying weapon restrictions everytime you're on the wrong side of the bullet

hes right weapon restrictions would do absolutely nothing, for ex jvenom got 40 kills just using deagle couple nights ago.

[Satanic_Hamster]

Oh, yeah. That's right. Because we KNOW it's not assault/militia/siege's design that makes it one sided. That's right, it's the PLAYERS.

That's why I hate people named Player.

[kud0z]

Err, Hamster, any of those maps can just as easily be owned by the other team. The other team that you think can't possibly win a round if T's have any guns other than a glock. Give up the weapon restrictions... it's not going to happen and it simply won't help.

[Satanic_Hamster]

Eh... Given my experience with a server that restricted T's to no rifle purchases on those maps to having BOTH sides unable to buy rifles, the maps were a heck of a lot more fun and the ct's had a much better shot.

You can't argue that those maps aren't heavily T biased. I don't care how good venom or pickle are with what weapons, that has nothing to do with this.

However, this is getting away from the main point:
A more customs friendly server w/ no deathmatch maps.

[ThriKreen]

No rifles?

GEE, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THE SPAZ MOD.

Man, I need to finish it up.

[Dank]

your not gonna stop anyone from stacking, sadly everyone wants to play on the winning team because its more fun, when tap plays theres usually a tap player on each team...

lol... only after everyone complains the teams are stacked.

[kud0z]

The only way to fix "true" stacking (Since most of you believe this relates to clans) would be some sort of a plugin that detected, for example, how many [TAP] members are on one team. If one member joins T, the plugin would have to MAKE any other [TAP] member join CT until [TAP] members are even on the teams.

This would be impossible unless you did it by IP/SteamID which would require a lot of work with databases that isn't needed.

A more active admin base that looks for team stacking would be more help than to limit what weapons a team can buy or to simply remove maps.

Assault or Militia may be more geared towards a certain team, but that team WILL NOT win all the time. Maybe your "balls to the walls with a P90 rushing straight out into the middle of Miltia" won't work. Try coming up with something new. :roll:

[SavaThePriest]

Maybe your "balls to the walls with a P90 rushing straight out into the middle of Miltia" won't work. Try coming up with something new. :roll:

Hamster: like saying something other than "Dammit." each time you die. :D

[snugglz]

he does
he says owe

owe and dammit
and that's all
:O

Milita is not heavily t stacked, assult reg, eh,, sort of is, and siege, siege is about dead even, assualt is the only one whereby you only have like 3 ways of getting in, so its heavily t sided
siege is hella wide open

and millita is not that hard as a ct

[Scorpion]

Ummm A smart Terrorist team can totaly own CTs on Militia. There is a spot on the roof where you can cover front yard and both sewers. Terrorists definetly have the advantage on that map.

[wtf]

Ummm A smart Terrorist team can totaly own CTs on Militia. There is a spot on the roof where you can cover front yard and both sewers. Terrorists definetly have the advantage on that map.


but you wont see too many smart terrorists around because there idiots who try to rush ct spawn

[Kiwi.Dave]

:|

[Kiwi.Dave]

accidently voted for DM....

[Fist]

Thri, you should implement it for CSS too!

[Smokey]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[Dark Knight Zer0]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[SavaThePriest]

Battlefield 2.

[kud0z]

Battlefield 2.

That would require shutting down all the servers, including TS and the website. **** Battelfield 2.

[winAMPED]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[Milamber]

A more active admin base that looks for team stacking would be more help than to limit what weapons a team can buy or to simply remove maps.
Well we would first need the permissions to change what team a player is on. Might not be a bad idea.

[Satanic_Hamster]

Admins changing is a bad idea, just pisses people off.

TFC's Source server has a very nice autobalancer. Every 2-3 rounds, it switches two people based on skill.

[Talon Karrde]

Really? that sounds awesome

[Satanic_Hamster]

It seems to work very well. It doesn't just switch the top and the lowest. Hasn't been much in the way of complaints over it. Personally, I like the hell out of it.

[Kiwi.Dave]

i jus think cs4 should be superhero :D

[Kiwi.Dave]

i jus think cs4 should be superhero server

[Kiwi.Dave]

i accidently voted for DM

[ferret]

There isn't a vote for DM...

[Nub-Shtrike]

CS4 SHOULD BE FOR A 2ND FRIENDLY FIRE SERVER.

[wtf]

you never play .................................................. ..........................................ever

[KODIAK]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[YolkFolk]

I think that rather than an all customs server, cs4 should fill all un-nominated slots with customs for each vote. That way you can still nominate and vote for stock maps if you want to, but unless you do, you get a selection of good customs to choose from.

Maybe it could revert to a stock map when empty?

[acme420]

thats how cs1 started off any look at it now. non stop stock maps 24/7 with 1 or 3 customs sprinkled in throughout the day.

[kud0z]

How about making CS1 all stocks - a CAL rotation and CS4 all customs - no stocks?

[stormFury]

how about cs1 = de_maps and cs2 = cs_maps? haha im kidding.

[Uthor]

what about hostage maps?

[stormFury]

cs_

[Scorpion]

What about escape and asassination maps?

[fodough]

how about cs1 = de_maps and cs2 = cs_maps? haha im kidding.

I actually like that idea. Every cs_ map (except for italy rarely) can burn.

[Uthor]

What about escape and asassination maps?

That's what I meant. I'm not stupid, just slow.

[stormFury]

well, i've never played an escape map... never even seen one. I think they're made up. And assassination maps arent that fun so... just fudge em.

[Satanic_Hamster]

Fudge you. AS maps rock. Oilrig, tunda, forrest, classics! Just needs to be some more decent as maps.

Balefire! Get 'er done!

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[J.A.C]

thats a vip map not a escape map

[acme420]

AS = assasination maps. the ones with vip.

hamster said there needs to be more decent AS_ maps.

[[gh]Spurty]

There are hundreds of mods out there and we seem to have difficulty thinking out side of 'Counter Strike' around here. Hows about making that server something other than CS ?

Perhaps one week of each mod ? There are more than 52 mods out there for HL, it would give us all a chance to try something 'different'. We could also keep some sort of stats on what we liked / hated about it for review later on.

I don't mind drawing up a web page to record such information nor do I mind trying new things out. After all, CS was one of about 8 mods I was playing far too much over the course of serveral months.

[wtf]

How about making CS1 all stocks - a CAL rotation and CS4 all customs - no stocks?

[Blitzer]

how about a jump map server? if you set up checkpoint, gocheck, unstuck, semiclip, those servers are always full. and a hell of alot of fun! oh, you also would need to set it up so you can walk through people, otherwise you get the assholes that just block on purpose (god i hate those people!)

[Nub-Shtrike]

woh thats an awesome idea blitzer... like that tree map and the ice one.

[acme420]

wtf is a jump map? it sounds gay. you just run up the side of some obstacle trying to be the first to get to the top right?


yeh i played one of those servers. it was gay.

[Dank]

i actually change my vote to a jump map server with checkpoints and shit...

map rotation on a weekly bases. <3 it

[kud0z]

how about a jump map server? if you set up checkpoint, gocheck, unstuck, semiclip, those servers are always full. and a hell of alot of fun! oh, you also would need to set it up so you can walk through people, otherwise you get the assholes that just block on purpose (god i hate those people!)

A good idea, however I'm sure that those maps eat up a lot of resources seeing as how they're really big with a lot of open area. The server probably couldn't be a 17 slot...

If the kinks were worked out, I'd also support this. :)

[Ness]

Same. I change my VOTE.

[Kiwi.Dave]

i voted for DM wen i wanted to vote for SH but tat not the point... please dont ChangE cs4!

[Doc Wattson]

I don't understand. CS:4 is active and brings community members to us that don't like plain, old fasion CS 1.6. Why do we want to change it? To split up the CS#1/#3 community to a 3rd server and get ride of one of our best accesses to new blood?

-Gary-

[kud0z]

Our best access to new blood that was the recent batch of admins that ferret had to point out?

As far as I'm concerned, almost 95% of the people that play on WC3 and SH are like that. Not really the kind of people you need.

[Athena]

all custom sever. i would play there only. no stocks allowed!

[Milamber]

As far as I'm concerned, almost 95% of the people that play on WC3 and SH are like that. Not really the kind of people you need.
I play on the wc3 server all the time and I've never had a complaint about the regs or any of the admins on it.

[ferret]

I never receive complaints of a lack of admins or admin abuse from WC3/CS2.

SH/CS4 is a completely different story. Logs show only 7 individual admins have been on CS4 in July and I just issued a warning against 2 of those and removed another.

[Nefarious]

i would like to change my vote to a jump map server as well. those are hellafun

[wtf]

the jump map would be fun as hell but I dont know if it would be full all the time

[acme420]

whats so fun about jumping up the side of a wall exactly? look at me im doing nothing but pressing my jump button. this is so fun

</sarcasm>

[Satanic_Hamster]

Standard message:
Remember players, all admins have admin on all servers.

And a lot of admins pay attention to Gamehavoc's irc channel. If you need an admin to deal with a hacker, disruptive player, anything, try there. If I'm not set to afk/sleeping, I'm likely within 15 of my computer, so feel free to pm me.

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[wtf]

whats so fun about jumping up the side of a wall exactly? look at me im doing nothing but pressing my jump button. this is so fun

</sarcasm>


its fun because its challenging

[Blitzer]

acme obviously hasnt done some of the harder ones...

[Smeg]

Is this going to happen any time soon...I hardly play 1.6 anymore cuz I'm so bored with the same maps?

[Satanic_Hamster]

Smeg - play and vote!

You'd be surpised the number of times we can get Tegea / scud / other customs in.

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[Smeg]

I have been and it's always Office,D2,Italy,Nuke.... After 4-5 rounds I just leave and hope for a better map later. Or gasp... go elsewhere.

[stormFury]

Hey it was on Bikini earlier and you said you didnt like it so make up your ****ing mind =\

[Ness]

The server is very active and there's no TRUE REASON to change it. So this is mostly information gathering, I may not do anything.

So, nothing may be done, regardless of the votes.

[Smeg]

Hey it was on Bikini earlier and you said you didnt like it so make up your ****ing mind =\

LOL i never said ALL customs were worth playing.

[Canon]

kz maps... I find them absurdly addictive.

[kud0z]

kz maps... I find them absurdly addictive.

ftw!

[Blitzer]

i have only been playing them for the past week. once i find a good server that allows you to checkpoint as well as pass through other players, i am hooked.

[Milamber]

Can someone give me an IP of a decent jump server so I can check it out?

[OreoCookieSP]

GH exclusive maps ONLY server =)

[kud0z]

How about a regular CS server with low gravity?
or a GH pug server... like EASA pugs

ESEA pug would be cool... but I doubt it'd get much attention.

[Dark Knight Zer0]

spaz mod server?

[{3ELITE3}dRAgOoN.t.Br@!N]

ferret check this server 62.105.225.77:27055 this could be interesting for the new server.

[weems]

My vote goes to...

SOMETHING OTHER THAN CS

How about you guys test out some new water? http://www.dystopia-game.com/

The demo for this mod will be released very soon...In the meantime, how about some other fun mod...or even cs as a placeholder, but shit...Once a decent multiplayer source mod comes out, why not test it out by running a server for it?

[kud0z]

Like Forsaken... game is going to be too fkin sweet.

[acme420]

action halflife:source. i dont know if one is being worked on but if it is we should wait for it and then install it on cs4/

[Dark Knight Zer0]

the specialists anyone?

[Fist]

No thanks!

BF2 would be great i think.
DoD:S whenever it comes out.
Dystopia whenever it comes out.

Our main "problem" is that we're, in our roots, a CS community so whenever we have another game up, it doesn't last long before nobody plays it anymore.

The only exception is Natural-Selection, but we got it/lost it a few times already.

[acme420]

i thought the bandwidth issues already ruled out bf2, dod:s yeah, dystopia looks boring is that even an mp mod? cuz it looks like some slow paced boring ish*

[Doc Wattson]

BF2 can't be done.

-Gary-

[weems]

BF2 can't be done.

-Gary-

Tell that to ferret :wink:

There have been new developments on this front.

[acme420]

did you guys hack into something? whats with the wink?

[WangChung]

BF2 can't be done.

-Gary-

Tell that to ferret :wink:

There have been new developments on this front.
hehehehehehehehehehe. weems and got insider info.

but yes, DYSTOPIA is a multiplayer mod, i've seen BINK live footage and it looks quite fast paced, and very well developed afaik.

forsaken also looks like a crazygood mod, but you guys also have to check out Resistance and Liberation (like DOD:S, but possibly cooler/as cool).

[Doc Wattson]

I still don't think BF2 can't be done. I don't care what you say, i won't back down!!!

-Gary-

[Bubblewrap]

Keep it a superhero server, it is always full right now as is

[Bubblewrap]

I vote to keep it a superhero server... on the activity graphs it almost always has the highest activity

[ferret]

I vote to keep it a superhero server... on the activity graphs it almost always has the highest activity

That's not true, but its moot anyways. CS4 isn't going anywhere.

[Bubblewrap]

I put a safty-net in there with the "almost" lol :)

[stormFury]

Since its not going anywhere, can we change it to 1.6 FF #2? ;)