WC3 and SH XP..

[ferret]

NEW POLL. Harhar, two in a week.

Please read the options carefully. This concerns the WC3 server and Superhero server.

The question is.. Should we continue to save XP, switch to short term, or switch to "everyone level 10"?

[acme420]

ive been riding in the long term xp camp for a while because i was building my characters up. but now that ive seen what they all can do im riding with the short term camp. make it so that its possible with some teamwork to reach level 10 in 1 map. like give 100xp for my $4000 when i buy a tome. and maybe make it so that we get way more xp for kills and bomb plants and defuses or whatever. or. you can leave it all how it is now except make level 10 be at 6400 xp or something like that. or is that too high? you would prolly have to change the maps from 12 rounds to 30 minutes. thats the only way i can see people being able to reach lvl 10 in 1 map.

[Balefire]

Could there be another option? Where each player loses 50% of his xp each week or something? I dunno, but something BETWEEN permanent xp and xp-resetting every map change?

[Ness]

I played on a server where you can get to lvl 10 within 20 minutes. The XP needed is between 5500-6000 and you get about 100-200 XP per kill, 150 for TOUCHING a hostage, 150 for each hostage rescued. Killing the bomb carrier will give you extra XP and if your team wins, you get about 150 (that's the best, fastest way to get XP). I prefer short-term and reseting every map.

[Soxmls35]

I prefer long term. However I would like there to be timely resets. Monthy or bimonthy something alone those lines. With short term xp there is not incentive to stay on the same WC3/SH server. I belive the long term xp is what has got us the regs from those servers.

[king.]

Can i suggest something? Ok, Changing it to short term..for what? hd space/resources? Any way to prune people's XP who don't play within like 5 days to lower things? my server in my house is connected all the time..piggy back the XP files to my pc..:\..I dont want it to delete..

b0r0b

[Scorpion]

Definetly NOT short-time. We'll lose over 75% of our regs. For SH I say give everyone level 10, for WC3 I say bi-monthly resets, or make it so if you don't play for 2 weeks your skills get wiped.

[Evil Ernie]

Long-term encourages higher volume of people to return. People understand that the short-term XP is only a quick fix, but leaves no room for true feeling of satisfaction when killing 300 some odd people and EARNING what you get. Long term gets people to return and earn their keep and giving them something for doing so well and for playing at GH.

[weems]

I second Scorpion's opinion. Monthly or bimontlhy resets are the way to go...Puts everybody on even ground at a regular rate. I think monthly would be better than every 2 months.

[Satanic_Hamster]

I strongly like map resets of XP. Encourages more casual players and does more to discourage stat whoring.

I rarely play on the WC3 server, even through I like it. Why? I don't play enough to have skills worth a damn, which means all the high levels can whup my ass with little effort.

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Currently listening to Roy Buchanan's Live Stock

[YolkFolk]

Long term. Resets/Reductions are a great idea also.

[4matic]

once i was at the top lvl i think 25000/25000 or whatever next time i came in i was down to 16000xp. same race but i lost nearly 10k in xp. what givs?

[Milamber]

I'd recommend copying the file that has all the exp saved on it I'm pretty sure it's a .txt or .dat and moving it to some other location. Then switch the server over to short-term exp for a week and run this poll again once everyone's had a chance to play on a short-exp Havoc server and see which one they prefer.

[Milamber]

As for which to go with, Short term will make you appeal to casual players and people new to Wc3 because they'll get to try out the different races to see which ones they like without devoting a lot of time to the race. Long term is going to keep the regs around but wont encourage much server growth.

Personally I'm for saved exp having run a short-term CS 1.5 War3 server for two years a couple years back. I like the challenge of earning the levels and benefitting from the time spent playing on the server but its nice to start over fresh to, so I second Weems and Scorpion.

[king.]

I'd recommend copying the file that has all the exp saved on it I'm pretty sure it's a .txt or .dat and moving it to some other location.

That "other" location my friend Milamber is talking about is my dell poweredge :X

b0r0b

[king.]

Furthermore..If we do set it so that you start OVER completely each map..OH MY GOD will we lose alot of my fellow WC3'ers. not only that..you will have to change the rounds to like 24 as opposed to 12 because 12 goes pretty fast, and to work for them levels then have them dissapear 5-10 minutes later will suck hardcore.

b0r0b

[Satanic_Hamster]

Loved the way Abnix had it on ccsc/chigc. Map was set to 30 minutes, xp reset each map. A decent player would get to the ultimate powers after 15-20, usually.

Borob, the thing is balancing the hardcore regulars vs. casual players and random people off the street. Frankly, it really sucks for those who don't play daily on those servers.

[Scorpion]

what's there to balance Hammy? we already give them 3 free levels. I prolly level slower then most and I think the current system is fine. I just think that if you don't play for 2+ weeks you should start to lose xp.

[Milamber]

Looks like I forgot to finish my thoughts... I people don't like the short-term exp just switch it back to long term and put the exp file back :P

[Milamber]

I just think that if you don't play for 2+ weeks you should start to lose xp.
Isn't there something built into the War3 admin for this like if you dont play for xdays = wipe?

[ferret]

I just think that if you don't play for 2+ weeks you should start to lose xp.
Isn't there something built into the War3 admin for this like if you dont play for xdays = wipe?

There is. Its currently set to 30 days.

[SavaThePriest]

I dont play this anymore, yet i still have a suggestion which has been mentioned in the past:

14 day rolling total XP.

Day 1, get XP, keep it. Day 2, get XP, keep it...................... Day 14, get XP, keep it. Day 15, get XP, lose XP from Day 1. Day 16, get XP, lose XP from Day 2.

Whatever experience the player has obtained over the past 2 weeks is kept, anything beyond that is removed. It can also be set to 1 week,

[ferret]

That would increase the size of the saved xp file by x number of days Sava. You'd have to have x more entries for each days total xp. This leads to performance issues as the size of the file increases.

[Satanic_Hamster]

Sava:
Similar thing was tried by Abnix and Haggabard. Ran into stability issues, iirc.

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Currently listening to Steve Vai's Fire Garden

[Nub-Shtrike]

wc3 should be long term, its roxor like that.

imo SH should be short term tho.

[king.]

Oh well..Let's just see what becomes of this poll. We all have our opinions. Now sit back in shock with your mouth open awaiting the verdict. ::shivers:: ohohohohoho the SUSPENSE!

b0r0b

[Village_Idiot]

i can goto my school, log on all 30ish computers in my prog class and completely change this poll... hehehehe

[Milamber]

Not really, because phpbb logs the IPs of ppl who post so Ferret can just remove your votes because all your school computers have the same IP.

[Nub-Shtrike]

but milamber's canadian so dont believe him. or sid. or talon. etc. :WINK:

[Tech]

damn canadians

[Milamber]

fear the beaver

[{Red}kireiryubonz]

i think it would be cool as a new person coming into the game to be able to start with higher lvls in the game but in the same turn of events it wouldnt be fair to the ppl that had to earn their skill, but i think with those ppl it was the building the characters. now i do think it would be a little more fair to the ppl joining the server if they came in at lvl 5 maybe lvl 6 but i think they should atleast earn their lvl 6 on up.

[OreoCookieSP]

I think short term would be fun. Then someone who gets magneto really earned it, not just has played way too much.

[Milamber]

Oreo... ur thinking superhero's not Wc3

[OreoCookieSP]

Quote, "How should levels be handled in WC3 and SH?"

[Milamber]

Then someone who gets magneto...
Magneto is not in Wc3

[weems]

Then someone who gets magneto...
Magneto is not in Wc3

This thread is about Superhero AND WC3.

[Nub-Shtrike]

i taste corn flakes in my mouth but i havent had any.. in months. thats odd.

[Milamber]

/kick Milamber

[Kiwi.Dave]

jus go long term... more fun tat way

[KODIAK]

First you dont start out as level 3 on sh I tried to play the other day. SH is so lame that unless its short term its pointless to play there. I can get 1 maybe 2 kills a round at most, with magneto and shit, its just too hard to come in as a lvl 0. wc3 is diff because if you are decent you can still get pretty many kills starting out from 0. The skills in wc3 are not as over the top as the sh server is. I have tried sh 5 or 6 times over the past week and decided it is a complete waste of time the way it is now. So there is my 2 cents worth, NOW GIMME MY CHANGE BIX! lamo

[KODIAK]

where did edit go???? any how forgot to say that I started out as zero on Sh when I should have started out as a 3.

[Dank]

as i said in the other thread about this.

people who complain about leaving to go to another server to gain xp if theirs resets are morons anyways as they would have to start over from scratch anyways..

i for the option of decaying xp over time. kinda like psycostats

[Scorpion]

necro post!