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[Canon]

Does P2P downloaded pr0n fall under the same legal blanket as downloaded music? Does it exist outside the scope of those laws? What are the chances that I will see some legal reprecussions for having such material on my HDD?

[ferret]

Google is being sued by a porn web company in CA currently due to the fact that their images search spidered and cached their thumbnails, and hence makes it possible to get their material for "free".. Of course this material was on publicly available pages anyways and is displayed to visitors without membership, but the argument is that visitors can get the material without going to the site, and hence not be tempted to sign up.

Just a thought to consider.

[Canon]

So, the thumbnails are free but google got sued anyhow. That seems a little unfair.

[4matic]

the case will get thrown out i bet.

[darien]

There's a fine line between indexing publicly available, copyrighted content and making it available as part of search results.

Consider that almost nobody complains that Google (or any search engine) grabs copies of their website in order to allow people to search for key phrases. This is because the end result of the search is most likey going to draw a visitor to the website.

However, there's major hoopla over Google's (or Amazon's) stated desire to index the full text of books and make it available for searching. This is because the end result is most likely NOT that someone will purchase the book, but simply find the reference and leave.

At some point this stuff does need to be resolved in the courts. And if we're lucky the laws will be rewritten to take into account the digital age in which we live and the history of Free Culture (http://www.free-culture.cc) that has existed among humans for all of time.

[Dissman]

Does P2P downloaded pr0n fall under the same legal blanket as downloaded music? Does it exist outside the scope of those laws? What are the chances that I will see some legal reprecussions for having such material on my HDD?

Yes, the moment the photographer snaps the exposure, he owns copyright on that image. So, if you were to get a wedding shot, and the photographer gives you a wedding album and all of your prints from the wedding... you legally cant scan the image and make prints from it or even e-mail it to your friends. In fact, if you were to scan them and take them to Wal-Mart for printing on their Fuji Frontier they will force you to obtain a copyright release.

Now, is the individual photographer going to come after you for breaking copyright. Probably not... In fact, one of the people i work with actually overheard someone out and out confess to making copies of our photography. Could we go after that individual for damages? Yes.. would we survive suing our customers? Probably not!

[blue]

In fact, if you were to scan them and take them to Wal-Mart for printing on their Fuji Frontier they will force you to obtain a copyright release.

although this is accurate of what they are SUPPOSED to do, it often is not what is done. my wife holds up this standard at her lab, but walmarts around here leave the picture maker unguarded (they password the one at my wifes lab). becuase of the unprotected picture makers you can pretty much scan any photos you want.

from a consumers point of view, i understand its easier just to make a copy and be done with it... but from a photographers point of view (yes im a photo nut too) it rips me to see people doing it. my wife is a photo nut too and since she is the lab manager, she gets to lock those machines up. she even changes the password every week. there are a few "Regulars" that seem to obtain it some how (must be the damn nightshift). thats the only income a photographer has... and the equipment is NOT cheap.

any idea how much that fuji frontier system Dimman refers to costs? heh, i want to say it cost's in the neighborhood of 10k, might even be more...

[Dissman]

In fact, if you were to scan them and take them to Wal-Mart for printing on their Fuji Frontier they will force you to obtain a copyright release.

although this is accurate of what they are SUPPOSED to do, it often is not what is done. my wife holds up this standard at her lab, but walmarts around here leave the picture maker unguarded (they password the one at my wifes lab). becuase of the unprotected picture makers you can pretty much scan any photos you want.

That is what they are supposed to do, but that's the problem with the picturemaker kiosks that instantly print pictures. Where i work, we use the printer from the Fuji Alladin kiosk... it's a great printer.

from a consumers point of view, i understand its easier just to make a copy and be done with it... but from a photographers point of view (yes im a photo nut too) it rips me to see people doing it. my wife is a photo nut too and since she is the lab manager, she gets to lock those machines up. she even changes the password every week. there are a few "Regulars" that seem to obtain it some how (must be the damn nightshift). thats the only income a photographer has... and the equipment is NOT cheap.

Heck no, i work in the photography business, and it's highly annoying to go out and shoot a group professionally (such as sports teams, Dance Schools, Gymnastics) at a severe discount, and then not get anything from the job because they are off scanning the prints. We're pretty much to the point of not doing this kind of thing anymore.

any idea how much that fuji frontier system Dimman refers to costs? heh, i want to say it cost's in the neighborhood of 10k, might even be more...

Heh, not even close blue... add a 0. A Fuji Frontier is a 100k machine.

Most professional photographers have to invest quite a bit in equipment, and their labs moreso. The running joke that i've had for the last few years is if we get carjacked, give them the car but make sure you get the camera cases... and he drives the same car as Darien. These people have a lot of time, money, and skill invested in their work... and the least that the consumers can do is throw the guy/or girl a couple bucks in the form of a reprint order.

[blue]

Heck no, i work in the photography business, and it's highly annoying to go out and shoot a group professionally (such as sports teams, Dance Schools, Gymnastics) at a severe discount, and then not get anything from the job because they are off scanning the prints. We're pretty much to the point of not doing this kind of thing anymore.

im totally agreeing with you here!
as for the price of the system, i guess im remembering wrong! :) it doesnt suprise me a bit. my wife uses a Noritzu (sp). i like it lots. but i think the frontier has better quality. but, its a HELLOVA lot better then the greytag machine they had until last year!

=)

she works at a lighter lab, i think a normal day is about 50-55 rolls she tells me. where as in the lab she worked previously they did about 125 rolls a day.

[darien]

The number of "rolls" of film will continue to decrease as more and more consumers and professionals move to digital. My sister runs a completely digital portrait studio. http://www.petphotos.com/