View Full Version : Guild Wars... Again!
kud0z
09-18-2004, 12:19 PM
For all those that played and had a crazy amount of fun with the E3 demo of guild wars, we get to do it all over again!
http://www.guildwars.com/preview/wpe-clientdownload.html
You can get the client now and download some files for it. The test is from October 29th-31st!
Hope to meet up and play with some of you guys when it comes out.
[gh]Spurty
09-20-2004, 07:20 AM
if its free, I'll buy that for a dollar .. make sure you spam the IRC channels on the 28th Kud0z for I am a bear of very little brain
Dark Knight Zer0
09-21-2004, 12:33 AM
must, play, demo.
and buy the game
DK0
Zantas
09-21-2004, 05:32 AM
just think, you can acually lvl up this time!
[NAKED] sidark
09-21-2004, 11:58 AM
This looks better than WOWC
Dark Knight Zer0
10-03-2004, 01:20 PM
woohoo just a few more weeks away!!
too bad I gotta work when they are doing it :angryfire:
DK0
kud0z
10-03-2004, 02:55 PM
Frickin owned!
I can't wait... between this and Fable, my whole month is gone.
Mortis
10-19-2004, 06:30 PM
I played their 3 days during E3 and I have to say, was a whole load of fun. Not as involved as WoW, or EQ, but fun nonetheless. And hell, it LOOKED great.
Dark Knight Zer0
10-19-2004, 06:48 PM
If im not compleatly hooked on Tribes Vengance (from the way my comp acts it wount be too hard). Ill defently be playing
we all need to get togeather somewhere ingame and kill stuff
DK0
Zantas
10-19-2004, 06:51 PM
yeah, it's more fun playing with people you know
kud0z
10-19-2004, 10:01 PM
Start posting what you think will be names now as well as character classes if you know.
WangChung
10-20-2004, 12:25 AM
i think for me..
Wang-Chung
wanGerDoodLe
Wanger
Character Class : Ranger. :)
Dark Knight Zer0
10-20-2004, 12:49 AM
Dark Knight Zer0
Necro. mmm necro
DK0
Zantas
10-20-2004, 12:01 PM
Zantas
Necro <3 undead
Turambar
10-20-2004, 05:58 PM
Turambar
Ranger
kud0z
10-20-2004, 10:11 PM
Arminas
Hardcore warrior... dunno what sub yet though.
Zantas
10-23-2004, 02:36 AM
Guildwars starts again in 7 days. We should think of a time were most of us can get on at the same time to play on the 29th. Oh, and we can make guilds too :D
Dark Knight Zer0
10-23-2004, 10:55 AM
ill be working on and off threwout the weekend at that time. so ill TRY and be on as much as possable, no promises though
DK0
Turambar
10-23-2004, 02:08 PM
If ferret or whoever could make a channel on the TS server we could just go there and hear where everybody is.
Zantas
10-23-2004, 02:26 PM
made one :)
[gh]Spurty
10-24-2004, 08:05 AM
5 days ....
Zantas
10-24-2004, 08:40 AM
gets on your nerves that it's so close doesn't it....
Mortis
10-24-2004, 01:53 PM
I have set aside that entire weekend for Guildwars.
1. Supply of Beer, Chips, Pretzels, and insta-cook microwave food CHECK
2. Unplugging Phone with exception of pizza emergency CHECK
3. DEPENDS weekend pack bought CHECK
4. Sack of small candies with sign that says take only one placed OUTSIDE front door for halloween CHECK
5. Lightbulbs unscrewed and computer room windows blackened for that "no one's home" look CHECK
G U I L D W A R S ! !
kud0z
10-24-2004, 08:44 PM
Someone post the TS IP for me.
Do I have to register for it?
Dark Knight Zer0
10-25-2004, 12:12 AM
I have set aside that entire weekend for Guildwars.
1. Supply of Beer, Chips, Pretzels, and insta-cook microwave food CHECK
2. Unplugging Phone with exception of pizza emergency CHECK
3. DEPENDS weekend pack bought CHECK
4. Sack of small candies with sign that says take only one placed OUTSIDE front door for halloween CHECK
5. Lightbulbs unscrewed and computer room windows blackened for that "no one's home" look CHECK
G U I L D W A R S ! !
Im gonna take all your candy, break into your house and steal all your stuff except your PC and desk.
no food for you muhahha!
DK0
Zantas
10-25-2004, 04:02 AM
4 more days wheeeee
WangChung
10-25-2004, 07:25 AM
lol. i cant wait to play even though i suck at RTS and RPGs
cuz i wananbe a RANGERRRRR
Zantas
10-25-2004, 08:31 AM
don't worry wang, we'll help you out
I'll probably be Fistos, either a monk or mesmer. Depends how i feel =)
J.A.C
10-25-2004, 10:12 AM
Someone post the TS IP for me.
Do I have to register for it?
Check frontpage, and you can register but you dont have to.
Turambar
10-25-2004, 11:12 AM
Uber busy weekend!
I have a Halo link party on Friday that will probably stretch well into Saturday.
And the biggest LAN-party of the year is going to be here the whole weekend. Even though I'm not going to bring a comp I'll have to visit and pwn some Joint Ops and check up on what ppl are doing.
And whatever is left I have to spend on Guild Wars!!
Maybe I'll get the guy who owes me money to follow me around and regulary feed me...
[gh]Spurty
10-26-2004, 01:52 AM
Hi Turambar,
Ok, I read your post twice, but it appears you have left the point of your thread behind. Check under the table or down the back of the couch.
I highly recommend you post updates in a diary and perhaps seque into them via some chitchat that we can all reply to and thread a conversation together :)
Mortis
10-26-2004, 08:44 AM
Client is available!!
http://www.guildwars.com/downloads/GwSetup.zip
Turambar
10-26-2004, 09:50 AM
Me not being able to be on for the entire time is absolutely on topic and very destructive for the entire GH on GW team!
I felt it to be my duty for safety reasons(people commiting suicide 'cause their team ain't gonna pwn when I'm only on for...less than all the time) to inform you of such a tragedy.
Scurvey Dog
10-26-2004, 01:32 PM
Anyone remeber Astronautmonkey from way back? him and i will be tooling around together in GW. we might be able to join up with you fellers
Zantas
10-26-2004, 02:43 PM
i remember him a little bit, that'd be cool
heh... they had guild wars cds in all of the newspapers at school here today... (University of Arizona)
[gh]Spurty
10-27-2004, 02:37 PM
Anyone remeber Astronautmonkey from way back? him and i will be tooling around together in GW. we might be able to join up with you fellers
You are playing with eachothers tools ? Do we need to know ? :oops:
Zantas
10-28-2004, 02:32 PM
i started playing gw today, a day early, how fun
Turambar
10-28-2004, 03:42 PM
Mine is downloading - slowly...
Ppl should start getting their azzorz into MMORPG mode!
Turambar
10-28-2004, 04:15 PM
My name is Hero Odysseus.
I've got to Lion's Arch.
Will join TS as soon as I get to online.
Im Fistos Potatos
Elementalist/monk
Im Timmeh Timmeh
Warrior/Monk
Zantas
10-28-2004, 05:07 PM
Ok, I made gh a guild, post your names and I will invite you guys.
Doc Wattson
10-28-2004, 05:14 PM
Is this game basically PVP? I hate PVP.
-Gary-
DAOC was the perfect game for PvP.
3 Realms that couldnt talk to each other, everyone level'd in his realm, and whenever you wanted to do PvP, you went in the "pvp zone".
So great.
Zantas
10-28-2004, 06:38 PM
it's not all pvp, there IS a pvp arena, but most of it is solo/coop
Mortis
10-28-2004, 07:25 PM
gawd....it's patching at 7kb/s
Heck, my old characters are there!!!
Slashem Bashem be muh name. :)
Zantas
10-28-2004, 09:02 PM
they're still there, but all the stuff you got are gone
kud0z
10-28-2004, 09:51 PM
Arminas Fethorn
Warrior/Ranger
kud0z
10-28-2004, 11:10 PM
Changed mind - went with Warrior/Monk. I remembered how much it owned from the E3 Alpha. :P
Ferexen Fethorn
Dark Knight Zer0
10-29-2004, 01:00 AM
DAMNIT DARK KNIGHT ZERO IS TAKEN GAH!
im Gh Dark Knight Zero
DK0
Scurvey Dog
10-29-2004, 11:55 AM
might be your old you
[gh]Spurty
10-29-2004, 12:46 PM
hmm I forgot my login name and will have to re-register
Turambar
10-29-2004, 02:50 PM
Me and a random team just won the Primeval Tomb thingy!!!
Rank: 1, Champion of Tyria 8)
But we've probably lost it now, cause everyone left after we got the title :P
We were two lvl 19s, four lvl 18s and a lvl 17(me :P ) and two lynxes, one lvl 19 and a lvl 15(mine)
Man, we owned, and it got me 36 fame points!
I better get back in and start on mission 5...
kud0z
10-29-2004, 05:39 PM
We should all get on and dominate the team competition over and over again.... we could communicate on TeamSpeak and rape face. Become #1!
Nefarious
10-29-2004, 05:51 PM
we need to start a guild
Nefarious
10-29-2004, 05:54 PM
how do i find all you guys?
Zantas
10-29-2004, 05:54 PM
we did nef
Zantas
10-29-2004, 05:56 PM
leave your char name and i'll invite you to the guild
Nefarious
10-29-2004, 05:56 PM
how do i get to it.
btw, complete noob at this
Scurvey Dog
10-29-2004, 06:24 PM
Scurvey Dog
Nub-Shtrike
10-29-2004, 07:01 PM
yeah DAOC was TEH FUN. me my bro, shauce, and some other ppl all played with these guys at our lan cafe 2 saturdays a month. anyways ill sign up.
sup, i played at TFC and FCS a while back and heard you guys had a guildwars guild going...
Kanaric Amalith is my game name.
edit: BTW your guild symbol kicks ass, lol
Nub-Shtrike
10-29-2004, 07:40 PM
ok my name is Nub Shtrike.
its so different. im new at this game but have play daoc etc.
ferret
10-29-2004, 08:57 PM
Check out teamspeak at gamehavoc.com (67.18.29.250) as well, there's a Guild War channel with about 8 people in it atm.
WangChung
10-29-2004, 10:31 PM
name : Wanger Doodle
Ranger : Female.
Dark Knight Zer0
10-30-2004, 12:33 AM
add me to guild now plzkthx
DK0
Nub-Shtrike
10-30-2004, 12:53 AM
the female skins are better than male, and their hot. there was like an asian girl i was like damn.
Nefarious
10-30-2004, 01:08 AM
and i dont think the dye's work
Mortis
10-30-2004, 01:43 AM
Dye's work fine, you just don't have plate. Look at the little rigs on your armor, THAT is what's getting colored in the basic stuff.
Dark Knight Zer0
10-30-2004, 02:06 AM
I hate my computer. its soo friggne buggy that I can play all of about 5 mins befoer hte GD thing decides to re-set itslef on its own.
really need to fking format but my parents wont listen to me
DK0
if you apply dye in town,you wont see it till you leave or move.. FYI.
[NAKED] Mithis
10-30-2004, 03:52 AM
Mithis the Ox
pretty fun game for being free.
Nub-Shtrike
10-30-2004, 11:25 AM
everytime i exit this game, i get a blue screen of death.
Turambar
10-30-2004, 12:09 PM
If any of you need help on earlier missions I wanna help.
Need xp cause I'm almost the only still lvl 18 at Riverside. :P
kud0z
10-30-2004, 12:11 PM
I need to get kickin on some missions. Anyone still need to do 3?
Dark Knight Zer0
10-30-2004, 01:32 PM
hell I cant even do anything in this game simply cause my computer sucks soo much.
I submitted a windoes crash report and it said my random access memory was corrupted :shock:
I hate my comp
DK0
kud0z
10-30-2004, 03:58 PM
Beat all the missions... Now I need Scales... lots of them.
Turambar
10-30-2004, 08:37 PM
Mission 6 is uber hard!
Too many crazy ass Knights!
Help!?!
Nefarious
10-31-2004, 01:19 AM
i already did them all... just 1 more day :(
Turambar
10-31-2004, 11:00 AM
Wake up you lazy americans and others!
I've been roaming the explorable area for a couple of hours and discovered LOTS of Ettins that needs to be hunted down for their Hides before the season is over.
There are 7 of them at Giant's Basin and even more at Nebo Terrace.
Nefarious
11-01-2004, 12:23 AM
so are they gonna keep characters or what?
cr0nick
11-01-2004, 02:07 AM
game was fun for about a day, and no nef, i doubt they'd let us keep them
they might be kept if there is another public preview, but probably not... and they will definitely be deleted for the real game release.
Nefarious
11-01-2004, 09:45 AM
rats
Nefarious
11-01-2004, 07:45 PM
i just tried connecting for the hell of it. when i tried to log in, it said:
"You will be able to create or update your acount soon"
cr0nick
11-01-2004, 08:19 PM
soon = january
kud0z
11-01-2004, 08:25 PM
No... if you preorder the game, there are preview events like this the first week of every month. This weekend you'll be able to play again if you preordered. You get a special item, and I believe you get to keep your character. (You for sure can from this event.)
Nefarious
11-01-2004, 09:23 PM
i guess i should pre-order
kud0z
11-01-2004, 10:16 PM
Check the site... there's a big button that says "Pre-Order Now!"
Nefarious
11-01-2004, 11:17 PM
preorder from where?
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4043332?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
thats a good idea... i think i will buy that...
Nefarious
11-01-2004, 11:23 PM
preorder from where?
http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4043332?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
thats a good idea... i think i will buy that...
hmmm... apparently, they all offer different ingame bonus items..
there are 5 items... its in the faq
kud0z
11-01-2004, 11:38 PM
Obviously Pre-Order from a place that will offer an item that will help your main character.
Nefarious
11-02-2004, 12:20 AM
Obviously Pre-Order from a place that will offer an item that will help your main character.
all of them will help... theres this thing called trading
assuming you can trade them :o
Nefarious
11-02-2004, 12:31 AM
im sure you can. and if not, someone is going to die
Turambar
11-02-2004, 10:51 AM
GameStop is the only one that delivers internationally, but it has 25$ shipping to Norway!!!
But it's still cheaper than what it would have cost in Norway(with no shipping) though...
I'll miss the November Preview anyway, so I have some thinking time.
Doc Wattson
11-03-2004, 03:13 AM
Gamespot Compleate memebers get to play Guildwars again this weekend. THey have more keys then compleate members so non compleate members have a chance to play also.
-Gary-
Nefarious
11-03-2004, 09:02 PM
hmmmmm!
question:
Go to Best Buy and get the spiffy shield, or go to Gamestop and get the nifty war ice pick?
btw, will be warrior/unknown (warrior/ranger during the event)
during the event thingy, i favored the war hammer because of the pure power it did, but it was rather slow and i was looking for a 1 handed sword the whole time so i could use a shield. What do you guys think?
Zantas
11-03-2004, 09:03 PM
do they give you stats on the items?
Nub-Shtrike
11-03-2004, 09:04 PM
im not buying this game. definately not.
Nefarious
11-03-2004, 09:07 PM
do they give you stats on the items?
nope. im afraid the ice pick wont be much stronger than the hammer they give you to start.
Doc Wattson
11-03-2004, 09:14 PM
I can get a key for this weekend if anyone wants it. I'm not gonna use it.
-Gary-
Zantas
11-03-2004, 09:19 PM
hmmm... a weeks worth of addictive playing...... i'm tempted
Nefarious
11-03-2004, 09:20 PM
i am buying this weekend, so yay
Nefarious
11-03-2004, 09:36 PM
new info about how the characters and such will go:
http://guildwars.com/events/faq.html
kud0z
11-04-2004, 07:34 PM
Pre-Ordered the game...
I've got two, TWO, beta codes if anyone wants one. I've also got two friend codes (1 weekend of play, each).
Gotta <3 screwed up packaging.
kud0z
11-04-2004, 07:41 PM
:>
Gimme $10 so I get my money back.
screw that i'll buy it myself then :P
Nefarious
11-04-2004, 08:58 PM
lookin through the FAQ and saw that you will not be able to trade the item you receive.
this makes the choice even harder! damn it!
shield or hammer! shield or hammer!?
actually, what is that scroll thingy worth?
kud0z
11-04-2004, 09:23 PM
It isn't worth anything - you can't trade it.
Nefarious
11-04-2004, 09:30 PM
im saying, what is it used for.
cr0nick
11-05-2004, 11:55 AM
its used to make the game worse than it already is
Dark Knight Zer0
11-05-2004, 12:38 PM
its used to make the game worse than it already is
if you dont like the game, why post in a thread about it?
DK0
Nefarious
11-05-2004, 12:54 PM
because he is an attention needing whore. just ignore him. but apparently, it is for smiting players... i think thats pretty dumb. but i still cant decide. I think im goin for the hammer though cuz that will help a lot more in the beginning.
kud0z
11-05-2004, 07:03 PM
I think you're already screwed if you plan on ordering online. I don't think you'll get your key for this weekend. If you've got all of these stores in your town - I stand corrected.
I just went to Best Buy and bought it, turns out I got a shield based off of Tactics. Wee, something that will actually help if it's got a half-way decent armor rating.
cr0nick
11-06-2004, 12:22 AM
yes nef im an attention needing whore, yet i post what? two or three times a week? while you're on here constantly spamming pointless shit, you made a thread about the game, i think its reasonable to give my opinion on it since everyone seems so hyped about this boring, terrible, pointless game. i dont see whats so entertaining about guild wars, the game play is way too linear, you cant explore without going on(boring and redudant) quest, its insanely hard to make GOOD armor, gold/money is worthless and spending hours trying to level barely increases your abilities
Nefarious
11-06-2004, 01:42 AM
now ya see cronick. THAT is a good post. ur other one, crap
Nefarious
11-06-2004, 02:13 AM
damn it! beta event doesnt start until midnight PACIFIC time!!! i think it was eastern time! arg! wont start till from 2 am here! im goin to sleep so i can get an early start
free keys for Nov 6-7 beta while they last... http://www.gamespot.com/promos/guildwarsbeta/index.html
Nefarious
11-06-2004, 03:25 PM
hurry up guys, im all alone :(
Turambar
11-06-2004, 05:09 PM
Thanks for the link ds91!!!! :D
I entered my e-mail and it said I was not a Complete member, but I still got a mail with a Code. :P
I'll be Sigurd Drakedreper or Dodongo Stevens. :)
(I'll be back shortly to tell you it didn't work for some reason)
Nefarious
11-06-2004, 10:39 PM
ill be sure to add you to the guild if i can figure out how
Zantas
11-07-2004, 05:30 AM
only i can invite into the guild (if it's still there)
Nefarious
11-07-2004, 10:42 AM
its still there. that sux, they need to change that.
Turambar
11-07-2004, 12:52 PM
ill be sure to add you to the guild if i can figure out how
If you mean me then you don't have to. If you make a new char it auto joins the guild that the other char/s are a part of.
kud0z
11-07-2004, 01:46 PM
Which I think is stupid. :(
Nefarious
11-08-2004, 08:47 PM
damn it, i wanna play again!
Nefarious
11-08-2004, 09:37 PM
first weekend of every month.
kud0z
11-08-2004, 09:46 PM
Wish it was first week of every month. :?
Nefarious
11-08-2004, 09:47 PM
wish it was everday day of every month
kud0z
11-08-2004, 09:50 PM
:D
I agree.
Next event - help my get Iron/Steel.
Nefarious
11-08-2004, 11:29 PM
unless theres better armor to get, i will :)
kud0z
11-09-2004, 12:09 AM
Wewt... I doubt there will be. There was supposed to be new content this event, but there wasn't any.
Actually, there might have been new Explore areas.
Nefarious
11-09-2004, 12:23 AM
yea, they opened up a lot of area's and made some changes to weapon damage and such. like before, the best hammer i ever found was 10-15 damage, then first mission i played i got a 20-33 hammer :)
Nefarious
11-19-2004, 07:52 PM
ok ok, question. are most axes two-handed or one-handed?
kud0z
11-19-2004, 09:58 PM
Axes are almost all one-handed.
Nefarious
12-03-2004, 09:47 AM
Guild Wars beta weekend HAS started, i repeat, it HAS STARTED today (Friday) to accomadate Europeans with a full weekend to play. All future betas will begin Friday morning.
Who else is gonna play?
PeregrineFalcon
12-03-2004, 02:56 PM
everyone and their mother, brother, sister, <insert other> has moved over to WoW :-)
everyone and their mother, brother, sister, <insert other> has moved over to WoW :-)
Wow does seem pretty good but GW has what WoW has plus more and its free per month. ggkthxnore. Plus WoW has the disadvantage of having people who play blizzard games hardcore being on it. Uggah, like an interactive battle.net
Nefarious
12-03-2004, 05:39 PM
so then are you playing jthm?
Princess
12-03-2004, 06:14 PM
everyone and their mother, brother, sister, <insert other> has moved over to WoW :-)
Wow does seem pretty good but GW has what WoW has plus more and its free per month. ggkthxnore. Plus WoW has the disadvantage of having people who play blizzard games hardcore being on it. Uggah, like an interactive battle.net
Don't knock it 'til u try it.
kud0z
12-03-2004, 07:01 PM
I have tried it.. I didn't like it. I don't like all the quests that you feel that you have to do. You get so much more exp than just going out and killing stuff... that's what owned about Shadowbane. Go out and grind then go PK, enough said.
whatever kud0z =] how ya been buddy, i see that only a few different ppl use these forums and not the other ones.
ciao
Turambar
12-03-2004, 08:17 PM
I played the World Preview Event for Guild Wars and I was totally gonna get it, but then I tried the WoW Open Beta... they shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence.
Guild Wars had better graphics, but it ends there. WoW is better in so many ways that it hurts.
You guys should go get yourself a 10-day trial.
Haplo
12-03-2004, 09:03 PM
everyone and their mother, brother, sister, <insert other> has moved over to WoW :-)
Wow does seem pretty good but GW has what WoW has plus more and its free per month. ggkthxnore. Plus WoW has the disadvantage of having people who play blizzard games hardcore being on it. Uggah, like an interactive battle.net
Don't knock it 'til u try it.
Are you playing WoW Prinny?
Princess
12-03-2004, 10:01 PM
everyone and their mother, brother, sister, <insert other> has moved over to WoW :-)
Wow does seem pretty good but GW has what WoW has plus more and its free per month. ggkthxnore. Plus WoW has the disadvantage of having people who play blizzard games hardcore being on it. Uggah, like an interactive battle.net
Don't knock it 'til u try it.
Are you playing WoW Prinny?
Of course I'm playing WoW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!! <3.
DarkWHITE
12-04-2004, 04:06 PM
wow the words Grind AND Shadowbane used in a sentence saying that it's a good thing....
kud0z
12-04-2004, 04:36 PM
Yeah - it was a hell of a lot better than EQ or anything else. I had no trouble getting to 60. Hell, I had a character at 61 where I had to kill 1 mob that gave less than half of the exp it should have. It was the only thing that still con'd anything other than white (1 XP) . I had more fun doing that then running around and finding magical wells to get water out of to further along my NE story. :(
Nefarious
12-07-2004, 07:50 PM
i plan on preordering the game some time before the next beta event, so if anybody wants the one time friend pass that comes with it, i would be happy to give it to someone.
Princess
12-09-2004, 09:33 PM
i plan on preordering the game some time before the next beta event, so if anybody wants the one time friend pass that comes with it, i would be happy to give it to someone.
Are you talking about WoW? The game is already out and Collector's Editions that come with the free pass are sold out, the only copies available are for about $200. If you weren't talking about WoW, then I take that back ;).
Dark Knight Zer0
12-10-2004, 02:32 AM
Im pretty sure he ment Guild Wars, not this WoW you speak of
DK0
Princess
12-10-2004, 05:04 AM
Im pretty sure he ment Guild Wars, not this WoW you speak of
DK0
My bad =(. I'm too wrapped up in WoW to read the 11 pages of GW lol.
Nefarious
12-10-2004, 09:35 AM
princess... its in the name of the topic... plus i said preorder, so thats a dead give away
Dark Knight Zer0
12-10-2004, 11:41 AM
I gotta get to comp use soon so that I can get my necro preorder equip
DK0
Zantas
12-10-2004, 12:53 PM
might preoder this, if i do i'm getting it from EB Games for the ranger bow, all depends on what i buy after xmas
Nefarious
12-10-2004, 07:43 PM
i cant decide where i want to preorder from cuz im still undecided on profession... I started thinking ranger... but dont know
kud0z
12-10-2004, 09:07 PM
I wouldn't even worry about it. The items are all going to suck anyways.
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