NFL Draft

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who had the best and the worst of it? are you happy with your team's draft picks?

for my team, the Giants, im not sure why they drafted a defensive end. the only 2 reasons i can see is that they are either going to a 4-3 or Strahan is getting old and they are grooming a replacement. and how about picking up Lendell White from USC in the second round.. i think that was a steal for the second round.

Best in my opinion:
Phoenix

worst:
Raiders

[Doc Wattson]

The Giants didn't get Lendell White. I am a Jet fan and I loved our draft. Building from the lines out.

-Gary-

[SkifF]

I'm a Packers fan, but I don't know enough about college football to know if we got anyone good.

I'm happy Favre is coming back for one more, but the loss of Javon walker hurts. The only thing I noticed about the Packers draft was that they picked-up a lot of defense which I think is going in the right direction. Offense isn't really the Packers problem (when they're healthy, and not using a team of 6th stringers).

I'm not expecting a lot from the Packers this season, I'm more just hopping to at least see some improvment in thier developing players.

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your right.. i was thinking about the titans. i grew up a giants fan.. and will forever be a giants fan, but ive been in tennessee for 16 years so i am kinda forced to follow the titans.

speaking of which.... the titans did an awesome job getting Vince Young and White. in my opinion that may be the best two rounds of any team... other than maybe the jets who picked up bookend linemen.

[Doc Wattson]

The 2nd lineman the Jets took was a Center, not a tackle.

Personally I don't think VInce YOung will ever thrive in the NFL. At best he is above average and even that level of play will take him years to reach. He has horrible technique, never played out of the shotgun, and is was so bad at learning the Texas playbook they basically ran a system where he only looked for one WR then ran if he was covered. He did horrible on the wonderlic, a bad sign that he will ever be able to handle an NFL offense from where is he starting from. He's just a good athlete and that won't take him as far in the NFL where there are equal athletes on teh field.

Linert would of been the better pick, and the QB that the coaching staff wanted. Ownership made teh choice for YOung since they thought he'd sell more tickets and has more potential in the long run.

The Titans were in a tough position. Honestly I don't think Linert or Young will be a Pro Bowl QB. Linert could do very well since he landed in the perfect system for him. Kinda was a no win situation for them.

-Gary-

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i disagree about young. he is a very gifted athlete who appears to be dumb as a brick.. but lets face it there are lots of athletes that are as dumb as a wet leaf.... ok, maybe they arent all quarterbacks. as for him being fundamentally unsound he does have a 3/4 sidarm delivery that may get him in trouble with the taller NFL linemen but he is a very accurate passer with a cannon for an arm. also, tennessee loves mobile quarterbacks.... mcnare..... and i think that having a mobile quarterback almost forces the defence to assign a spy to him. give him a couple of years to learn the system and learn under mcnare and i think that young will turn out to be a better pick than linert.

i actually wasnt that high on linert. im not sure if he wasnt surrounded by the best overall talent in the country that he wouldnt have just been an average QB with an average arm.

now tennessee has a finesse back in brown and a punishing back in White.... the backfield is looking pretty stout!!!

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The 2nd lineman the Jets took was a Center, not a tackle.
damn you man! damn you!

[Dank]

who had the best and the worst of it? are you happy with your team's draft picks?

for my team, the Giants, im not sure why they drafted a defensive end. the only 2 reasons i can see is that they are either going to a 4-3 or Strahan is getting old and they are grooming a replacement. and how about picking up Lendell White from USC in the second round.. i think that was a steal for the second round.

Best in my opinion:
Phoenix

worst:
Raiders

ya my team likes to shoot themselves in the foot

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its ok, Al will just go out and find some 40-something guy who everyone thought was past his prime and make him a star again.

[fodough]

Best - the titans or the patriots; i agree put, sitting still and getting vince young and lendale white was impressive imo. i also liked the broncos draft + they picked up walker.

Worst - the bills. they moved up in the draft to draft players they could have drafted later.

[Doc Wattson]

What makes you think Young has a accuate arm? On a scale to 1-5 ESPN.copm gave it a 3. On a scale of 1-8 scouts in gave it a five. His arm wasn't the strongest in the draft either, just stronger then Linerts. He isn't a Farve, Vick, etc.

He has a horrible delivery that is slow and from the side. Make matters worse he has a huge stride. He won't be able to throw over anyone.

His college system he only had one reciever to look at. If that guy was covered he ran. THere was no 2nd options. 99% of the time there was no second option. He wasn't quick enough at reading defences so Texas took out every option for him but the first option. And that was out of shotgun system that gives him more time. How on earth is he gonna grasp an NFL system.

-Gary-

[OU81Now]

Not a fan of the Texans, so I never watched Young other than the Title Game. He impressed me during the game with his ability to pick apart a premier defense in USC. His approach is unorthodox and I hope he SUX in the NFL as I hate the Titans .... GO COLTS!!!!!

I think the biggest upset for me was knowing the Colts had a chance at Lindel and we passed on him for a guy I've never heard of. Then again I was pissed at the Colts for trading away Faulk, then they passed on Ricky Williams and took a guy I thought was leaps below Williams. Shows how much I know though. Faulk had 3 good years left in him (retiring soon), Williams (Dope Head), and James .... led the league in rushing his first 2 years and was a 1500+ back every year he was healthy. Man I hope this new guy can measure up to the guys we picked the last time we drafted a running back.

[Doc Wattson]

Highest Grade: Arizona Cardinals (3.8)
Lowest Grade: Washington Redskins (1.3)

ESPN.com average out draft grades from 9 major media sources. See how your team stacked up.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=2431855&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab5pos1

-Gary-

[SkifF]

Wow, Green Bay got a 3.1, with most of thier scores being a B with a few B+'s some A's and 1 C.

Lets hope this means good things for the future of my poor Packers.

[stormFury]

Browns got a 3.2 :D

I think the most improved team next year will be the Saints with the addition of Brees and Reggie Bush. I hear they're going to have both Bush and Deuce Mcallister in the backfield on some plays which will be insane. And the Browns (also much improved with off-season acquisitions -- McGinest and Jurevicius-- and I guess a decent draft) play them in week 1. Should be interesting.

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ture, the saints will have an awesome back field and a reliable QB, but their offensive line is still terrible.

[Arthus-IA]

YAY for the Packers!!! I was so scared of losing Favre, I mean I grew up in Milwaukee. Im a die hard cheese-head, and I remember when he first played... Man he sucked! Then he blew up into his prime :shock: Anyways, lets hope we have a better showing than usual....

[saitn]

He wouldn't go out on such a bad note as this past season. I bet if they do great this year he may come back for one more.

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chicagos pick i thought was retarded, we went to get more offense, and we got more defense

[Doc Wattson]

Packers win 6 games max. Who knows how Ahman Green will come back, Farve is one year older and has less to throw to know then he did in last year int crazy season. His offensive line, the best in the league a few years back, has fallen apart. The only reason they won the games they did last year was their Defence which was a fluke.

Saints could be ok, not playoffs though. If Brees is Brees he could be be a huge help but the Chargers let him go because he tore his Rotator Cuff in the last game of the season. He might not even be ready for training camp. As a Jet fan I learned from Chad Penington that Torn Rotator Cuffs aren't easy to come back from.

-Gary-

[Doc Wattson]

I like how Minnitsotta fired their GM after the draft.

-Gary-

[SkifF]

Packers win 6 games max. Who knows how Ahman Green will come back, Farve is one year older and has less to throw to know then he did in last year int crazy season. His offensive line, the best in the league a few years back, has fallen apart. The only reason they won the games they did last year was their Defence which was a fluke.

Saints could be ok, not playoffs though. If Brees is Brees he could be be a huge help but the Chargers let him go because he tore his Rotator Cuff in the last game of the season. He might not even be ready for training camp. As a Jet fan I learned from Chad Penington that Torn Rotator Cuffs aren't easy to come back from.

-Gary-

I'd be happy with the Pack winning 6 games....that two up from last year! :D

[SkifF]

Despite Doc's take on the Green Bay situation, here's the take from Vic Carruci


4. Green Bay: By making A.J. Hawk the fifth overall choice, the Packers got more than a linebacker whose phenomenal playmaking skills will instantly improve their defense. They got one of the great character players to emerge from the college ranks in a long time. Hawk's off-the-charts work ethic no doubt will be contagious. The Packers made two strong additions to their offensive line in second-rounder Daryn Colledge (tackle, Boise State) and third-rounder Jason Spitz (center, Louisville). And they picked up the most polished receiver in the draft in second-rounder Greg Jennings (Western Michigan), who could end up being more productive than any of the wideouts selected before him, including Pittsburgh's first-round choice Santonio Holmes (Ohio State).

Realistically in the end, we can all speculate up the wazoo, it's up to the players to decide how things go.

[Doc Wattson]

Green Bay Packers (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/clubhouse?team=gnb)
http://espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/gnb.gifBest pick: A.J. Hawk (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=9820), OLB, Ohio State. They must have been tempted to go with Maryland tight end Vernon Davis (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=10310) with this pick, but Hawk was the right decision. He fits a far bigger need and he's the safest defensive prospect in this year's draft class. Hawk should immediately take over as a starter and he will hike up the intensity level of the Packers' defense several notches. WR/RS Will Blackmon (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9212) (Boston College) in the fourth round and defensive tackle Johnny Jolly (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9350) (Texas A&M) in the sixth round were two other great values for the Packers on Day 2.
Worst pick: Tony Moll (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?id=10428), OT, Nevada. Moll was the only player out of 255 draft picks who was not on our scouting list. The Packers would have been able to sign Moll as a free agent and they could have used that pick (No. 165) on a more talented tackle prospect such as Kansas State's Jeromey Clary (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9269) or Northwestern's Zach Strief (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9244). In my opinion, they also reached for offensive tackle Daryn Colledge (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9211) (Boise State) in the second round.
Work to do: All in all, the Packers did a fine job of addressing their top positions of need, including outside linebacker and offensive line. They did use a second-round selection on wide receiver Greg Jennings (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfldraft/draft/tracker/player?draftyear=2006&id=9277) (Western Michigan), but they can't expect Jennings to be ready to step in as a starter for Javon Walker, who was traded to the Broncos. The team is still faced with depth issues along the defensive line after failing to draft a defensive tackle or end in the first five rounds.

-Gary-

[SkUNk]

chicagos pick i thought was retarded, we went to get more offense, and we got more defense

I think the Bears will do just fine. They addressed their QB situation by getting a veteran to back up Rex Grossman. They didn't need anymore WRs when we got plenty coming back from injuries. TE has never been a position the Bears have used since Ditka was playing. We have the running game already with a great O-line. I trust Angelo and his eye for defensive players. Bears will be back in the playoffs again in a weak North division.

[stormFury]

The Browns need a QB :(

[SkifF]

The Bears need Ditka back, then everything will be right again. :D

[OU81Now]

Ditka was an awful coach that had one of the best back in NFL history. He didn't even let him score a touchdown in his only SB appearance; instead he gave the ball to the Fridge and let Peyton sit. Good coaching call, way to look out for your superstar. Then he moved to NO and traded EVERYTHING to get Ricky Williams; once again GREAT Coaching move.

He did have the ability to YELL, scream, and scare the living shit out of his superstars. Only thing he ever did right was RETIRE from coaching.

With their current division and the draft moves they made Chicago will be scary though, but they still have to contend with the AFC and all the REAL talent is in that pool.

[SkifF]

lol I hope you realize I was joking about Ditka.

Chicago needs a solid QB, when they get that then they will have a strangle hold on the North.....like the one my poor Packers USE to have. :(

[SkUNk]

lol I hope you realize I was joking about Ditka.

Chicago needs a solid QB, when they get that then they will have a strangle hold on the North.....like the one my poor Packers USE to have. :(

The Bears already have a strangle hold on the North because the first year coaches are not going to do much for such weak teams they are coaching for. Chicago already has a solid QB line up now and they do not need to change it.

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Chicago already has a solid QB line up now

step away from the crack pipe.

[SkUNk]

step away from the crack pipe.

The Bears went 10-4 with Kyle Orton.. Rex Grossman and Brian Griese is a huge upgrade over Kyle. And I will not step away, the crack keeps me sane ;)

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The Bears went 10-4 with Kyle Orton.. Rex Grossman and Brian Griese is a huge upgrade over Kyle. And I will not step away, the crack keeps me sane ;)
Seriously u guys blow, bears went 10-4 with a rookie qb LOL, anyways I agree with joey, we will definetly make the playoffs, and also we have an advantage because our division is so bad.

[Doc Wattson]

Bears don't scare me. They might make the playoffs but they are far away from winning it all. THey need so much more skill on the ofennsive side. YOu might not need a top of the line QB but you need a top of the line SOMETHING to win the superbowl. Even if your team is based on D. THe Ravens needed Jamal Lewis.

I do like Grossman but he is gonna be servicable, no more. In today's NFL that is hard to find though. Just hope he can stay healthy.

-Gary-

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you went 10-4 because your defense allowed what.. 10 points a game.... and your offense scored 6 points a game with your defense scoring 7. your in serious need of a reliable QB. a couple of injuries to your defense and your screwed.

[SkifF]

Well at least this year with Griese the Bears will have a QB who can manage a QB rating over 60.

I can only watch the Bears win so many games by a score of 9-6 :D

[Fist]

I got a kinda newbie question:

What will happen with Marcus Vick since he got kicked out of school and wasn't drafted?

[SkifF]

Hopefully nothing.

That kid is a dumb shit and only has half the talent of his brother.

He deserves nothing better then spend the rest of his days working at a McDonalds.

As for what really will happen to him? I don't know. A desperate NFL COULD sign him still I believe, but I'm pretty sure not many teams have interest in him. He could concievably play in the CFL, but then again I doubt too many teams would want him. His reputation follows him like a bad fart.

[Doc Wattson]

Chances are he will go to Europe or Canada. If he does well there all of the sudden people will spin that he has become a good person. He will then come to the NFL, suck, and be forgotten. At that point he will become part of his older brother's entorouge and will sit on the couch playing Madden claiming that he is better then everyone in the game and ho wthe NFL screwed him over.

That is a best case senario.

-Gary-

[SkUNk]

I read that he is trying out as a WR for the Dolphins, but they dropped him. I think he will just spend his time playing either QB or WR in the CFL.

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my bet is that he will spend his time doing 10-15 at some maximum security prison.