Is there a God? #2

[4matic]

taken from website below.

The atheist, on the other hand, will try to convince us that we are the product of chance. Julian Huxley once said:

"We are as much a product of blind forces as is the falling of a stone to earth or the ebb and flow of the tides. We have just happened, and man was made flesh by a long series of singularly beneficial accidents. "

The subject of design has been one that has been explored in many different ways. For most of us, simply looking at our newborn child is enough to rule out chance. Modern-day scientists like Paul Davies and Frederick Hoyle and others are raising elaborate objections to the use of chance in explaining natural phenomena. A principle of modern science has emerged in the 1980s called "the anthropic principle." The basic thrust of the anthropic principle is that chance is simply not a valid mechanism to explain the atom or life. If chance is not valid, we are constrained to reject Huxley's claim and to realize that we are the product of an intelligent God.

^^ http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/Mansproof.html ^^

there is too much luck involved in the big bang. wow one day there is nothing and woah holy shit now there is something and wow there is life on the only planet that sustain life which is in the perfect spot in our solar system to keep us warm but not too warm. we have only one moon to control our tides of the only bodies of water that are not frozen solid. we have a perfect atmosphere. ECT ECT ECT.

you dont have to believe in my god. but your a fool if you dont believe we are here because we are suposed to be. i still love you tho.

[Nefarious]

God doesn't LET people die. He thought it was their time for the people in the WTC towers, I really don't know, nobody does. And no, we don't really think the devil controls events and action, but rather tempts people. And when you say the universe has always been there, no... the was nothing but God, then he created the universe. God has always existed, even before time. There is no beginning to God and no end. Don't ask how, because we cannot comprehend it. Think of God as a circle, no beginning, no end.

and cronick, grow up. instead of saying God doesnt exist and calling everyone an idiot, why don't you provide and answer as to WHY you don't believe a God exists.

[acme420]

or maybe you tell us why you believe a god exists, other than "because thats what i was taught since i was born".

there is no god religion is just traditions passed down, you belive in god because your parents belive in god, and their parents, and so on and so forth, you didnt go out and research god then say yeah, i think im gonna belive in god. theres no research to support a god, anywhere. unless you consider that book of childrens tales you call the bible to be proof of a god.

[Thordic]

We aren't necessarily the only planet that supports life.

However, due to the immense distances involved in space, even if another civilization could send out a message to us (and vice versa), by the time we received it, their civilization would be long dead (the message having taken close to 100,000 years to arrive).

[[NAKED] Young DVP]

I don't consider myself a religious person. However, I do consider myself a very spiritual person. I believe that religion and it's manifestations - things like the Bible - were created to explain the unexplainable: How was all this created, what lies outside of our limited sight, what is the difference between right and wrong, what happens when we die..ect.?

I do not, nor have I ever taken the Bible literally. I remember sitting in church (Episcopal), listening to the priest - a man I still respect very much - give his sermon. I would think to myself, "That sounds a little far-fetched." The lesson within the sermon was valid, but the actual events seem a bit unrealistic.

There have been evidences of a 'Higher Power' at work in my life that I cannot ignore. Events in my past - which I will not go into here - have put me in situations where if something/someone didn't step in, I would not be posting this message here today. Once or even two or three times could be chalked up to luck. However, there have been numerous times when it seems that a force beyond my understanding was at work.

Really, it all comes down to faith. It harms no one to believe that God created the Universe in 7 days, that Adam came from the dust of the Earth and Eve from one of his ribs. If that helps you sleep at night and keeps you centered I support it. I choose to believe in a mixture of science and supernatural. Science picks up where faith leaves off, and vice-versa.

I believe in a loving and caring 'God' (that's what I call Him). We will all be judged, but we are judged by how we live our life not what religion we follow or how often we go to church. Certainly not how much money we put in the plate - that whole 'tythe' (10% of your income belongs to God) concept is perverse in my opinion. Murderers, rapists and gereneral n'er-do-wells will not be allowed into where ever it is we go after we shuffle off this mortal coil. I don't know if it's 'Hell', but some sort of 'purgatory' perhaps. Evem if you don't believe in God, I don't think that is a punishable offense. Ignorance is not evil. If you have lived a good life then you will be accepted. G[N]D, you're safe, for what I know about you.

It's all about faith.

[cr0nick]

nef, i think you're the one that needs to grow up, the belief in a god is such a primitive idea. i'd like to think that i control my own fate. i went to a catholic school for about four years and i admit that i was very religious at one point. you need to read something other than the bible and come up with your own conclusions about god instead of accepting everything that is fed to you.

[Canon]

or maybe you tell us why you believe a god exists, other than "because thats what i was taught since i was born".

there is no god religion is just traditions passed down, you belive in god because your parents belive in god, and their parents, and so on and so forth, you didnt go out and research god then say yeah, i think im gonna belive in god. theres no research to support a god, anywhere. unless you consider that book of childrens tales you call the bible to be proof of a god.

Way to go out and make an ungrounded assertion, g[N]d. I guess we ALL chose our religion and beliefs based on what our parents told us.

[acme420]

exactly. which is why i cant understand why people so unquestionably belive there is god, they dont have any reason to think there is a god other than thats what theyve been told since when they were old enough to talk. ive been told for as long as i can remember, that in order to live a happy life you need to go to school eat your vegetables and be kind to your mother, that doesnt neccesarilly make it true. I cant stop anyone from believing in god, ive found that people like to stick to their ideals. if someone believes penguins actually fly at night when no one is looking, nothing will sway them from believing that because thats what they want to believe no matter how crazy it seems. what im getting at, is why does everyone belive in god othat than the fact that its a tradition handed down from their ancestors. theres no actual proof of god and if it wasnt for the tradition of it i think the great majority would think it was pretty crazy to have been beliving in god.

[Canon]

canon]I guess we ALL chose our religion and beliefs based on what our parents told us.

SARCASM, for chrissake.

[acme420]

now you've lost me. most people cept those born again type do get their religion from what their parents told em. this is your plan isnt it. to confuse me ....i havent slept in over 24 hours. im going home now.

[[NAKED] Young DVP]

Young DVP]There have been evidences of a 'Higher Power' at work in my life that I cannot ignore. Events in my past - which I will not go into here - have put me in situations where if something/someone didn't step in, I would not be posting this message here today. Once or even two or three times could be chalked up to luck. However, there have been numerous times when it seems that a force beyond my understanding was at work.This is not proof, but it is evidence. Perhaps not convincing evidence, but compelling enough for me to form and/or reinforce my beliefs.
i cant understand why people so unquestionably belive there is god, they dont have any reason to think there is a godHow do you know when you're in love? Or that someone loves you? The answer is in your faith. You just feel it. It cannot be explained or measured. One cannot see or touch it, but that does not mean that it is not there.

Perhaps the answer is to consider that perhaps, just perhaps there is a greater force at work in the Universe. Even if you don't believe that there is, you can accept that others do and maybe you'll be there when and if lightning does strike. Again, if you try to lead a good life you can't go wrong.

[Canon]

now you've lost me. most people cept those born again type do get their religion from what their parents told em. this is your plan isnt it. to confuse me ....i havent slept in over 24 hours. im going home now.

<3

[Nefarious]

Ok, I have had enough. If you have nothing to add to the conversation and just feel like insulting someone for their own CHOSEN beliefs, do it somewhere else, not here. That means you cronick and gnd.

[[NAKED] Young DVP]

I don't think anyone has been attacking anyone else here, nef. Unless there were some posts that got deleted. All I see are people expressing thier opinions. Take a pill.

[acme420]

im not attacking per se, im just trying to figure out why people believe in god as it doesnt seem like a logical thing to do and i wondered if you hadnt been taught about whatever religion you follow since you were born (with a few exceptions) would you even believe in god.

[[NAKED] Young DVP]

That is a good question, gNd. Would I bevieve in anything if I never had any exposure to the concept? I suppose it's likey not. However, I feel that my life is richer with the belief that there is something greater than myself out there. It's a great comfort to us rather puny beings in this vast vacuum of space to feel that we are not alone (and I'm not takin' aliens). Who knows, maybe when it's time for me to take the 'great celestial dirt-nap' I will find that the lights go out, the end. Maybe you'll find that there are friends there waiting for you in the House of God, ready to welcome your non-believin' ass. We'll just have to see.

I for one prefer to believe.

[acme420]

Thats cool. me i think when you die you get put in a box and you are buried in the ground, your body decomposes and eventually your atoms are released back into the atmosphere, if you think about it, its pretty much the same thing you believe just in a non mystical way.

[steaLer]

can god be a vacuum?

[Nefarious]

there have been several posts attacking people/offensive to people, such as cronicks "there is no god you idiots" and gNd's "god is an idea people used in the past to control the populace. it has no place in modern times. people today are smarter and telling them a magical being hiding in the clouds will smite them if they get out of line wont work anymore."

[meaty]

Or it's their opinion.

[Nefarious]

cronicks "there is no god you idiots" and gNd's "god is an idea people used in the past to control the populace. it has no place in modern times. people today are smarter and telling them a magical being hiding in the clouds will smite them if they get out of line wont work anymore."

an attack, and offensive

[k|LL3rCr0w]

I believe firmly that most of the universe and whatever contains the universe and whatever contains THAT are uncomprehensible to our limited intelligence. Even if our intelligence was 1000 times more expansive than it is who is to say its the right KIND of intelligence to comprehend God or creation if they exist. I don't doubt anything or anyone and I never fault anybody for their beliefs, ever. However my own personal beliefs tend to be more scientific than religious and I tend to allign more with DVP's opinion on that issue. I do think it would be more intelligent for people to realize that our existence is likely not a singular instance of life in the universe and that life could manifest itself in many ways that are in no ways similar to our own. Simply knowing that on some planets known to us possible life sustaining environments revolve around liquid hydrocarbons as opposed to water and oxygen should be a good clue. I don't think we have any idea what life is by general definition in the universe. Billions of galaxies and billions of stars in each all with a chance of having some life sustaining areas are pretty good chances for there being something besides just us. If something intelligent created all of that great but I am not going to bash anyone who says otherwise either. 4matic, Good thread by the way.

[meaty]

cronicks "there is no god you idiots" and gNd's "god is an idea people used in the past to control the populace. it has no place in modern times. people today are smarter and telling them a magical being hiding in the clouds will smite them if they get out of line wont work anymore."

an attack, and offensive
Still look like opinions to me.

[cr0nick]

nef im not going to waste my time trying to convince you there isnt a god, all i can suggest is you go out and read a book that goes in depth as to how religion and god came about, read some stuff by joseph campbell that goes into the subject of spirituality and religion then we can talk about whether or not there is a god

[Community Nub Shauce]

Well the only thing i can actually say on this is (atleast i think, correct me if im wrong) proof that a jesus existed. I even remember i was watching discovery or history channel and they had the cloth of what jesus, or a man like jesus was supposedly buried in and that people came up to kiss it, etc etc. But you all are right, there is no scientific proof that he went through all the pain, all the suffering, that he was the son of a virgin, or any of that special stuff. In fact, he could just be some average joe. Thats where the faith part of religion comes in.

[[NAKED] Young DVP]

Here's a thought to wrap your brain around: We cannot currently PROVE that there is a God - at least not scientifically. Nor can we PROVE that there is NOT a God. All the 'there is no God'ers out there keep asking for proof of a Higher Power, but cannot provide any proof to the contrary themselves. It's all faith and opinion.

But here's the catch: Call it a stretch if you want, but one day perhaps there will be another 'Burning Bush' and someone will catch it on live TV. Or the Heavens may open up and God himself will appear on the back of some celestial Harley-Davidson. Then you will have your proof. But yet, can you think of a way - ANY way that ANYONE could EVER prove that there is NO God? Hmmm... So which theory holds more 'probability' of truth? Hmmm.....

[Community Nub Shauce]

Even not in a religous way, you have to think how complex our minds are. We dont take 5, 2, or even 1 second to look at an image like computers. We can go without food for idk how long. We can take extruciating amounts of pain and still live. When we get excited we can run 10 times harder than usual. When we have a purpose to do something we can always do it.

Its almost mind boggling to think that your brain can't get erased, you remember things that are important, it controls your feelings, your actions, your organs. Scientists say we dont even use our brain to the full potential because nobody knows how. You have to wonder when you die.. can your brain do more fantastic things, or is there a god, or whatever.

[Canon]

Young DVP]Here's a thought to wrap your brain around: We cannot currently PROVE that there is a God - at least not scientifically.

... nor logically.

[Nub-Shtrike]

Young DVP]Really, it all comes down to faith. It harms no one to believe that God created the Universe in 7 days, that Adam came from the dust of the Earth and Eve from one of his ribs. If that helps you sleep at night and keeps you centered I support it. I choose to believe in a mixture of science and supernatural. Science picks up where faith leaves off, and vice-versa.

about adam and eve...
eve wasnt the first, i think there was one named delilah, or lilah which in hebrew means darkness i think.

[Nub-Shtrike]

i can understand everything about the body except the brain.
things happening in the body use reactions to form a long process of an action, such as movement of your limbs.

the brain i do not understand. does it require alot of energy to think. the main thing is how we came to the understanding of our individuality, or to help understand it would be like "what will i be thinking when i am dead"
i know im leaving things missing but im not gonna type it all.
also about pain, we seem to have evolved to the point where we cannot control anything. it seems that nature would make it that if something was soo painful that you shouldnt feel it, but instead you still do. this is where the "singularly beneficial reactions" or w/e come into place...

[acme420]

you need pain, if you stopped feeling just because something was too painful, whats to stop you from sitting on a large spike right up your anus? that wuld hurt a lot im sure, if you cant feel it you just sit there and bleed to death smiling like a gimp.


no way to prove or disprove god. not because there is or isnt a god, but because its a logics problem. like trying to win in tic tac toe. its impossible to win and impossible to lose unless you want to. the way the game is set up, no one can ever win and no one can ever lose. all you can hope to do is tie.

[[gh]Spurty]

hahahahha .. Gods and things .. oh for the reality of it all .. if there are any gods, they totaly screw with fundamentals like science and mathematics.

I like my reality. In that reality, there is law and order, but sadly, no gods walking the heavens. Wish there were a couple. I'd ask for some super powers on loan (pay you back later).

[4matic]

if there isnt a god...then whats the point of us being here? and how did we get here? too many things had to be just right to create us. thats not just a quiwinkidink. God exists simple is that.

[krazyjuice]

if there isnt a god...then whats the point of us being here? and how did we get here? too many things had to be just right to create us. thats not just a quiwinkidink. God exists simple is that.

Can you give a reason for this post? I mean did your 'god' specifficaly tell you the reason we are here? Does 'god' have a reason or purpose for us?

Everyone has a set of values that have been ingrained to them since birth, everything influences them to make a decision of their faith or lack of faith.
Personally, I am an apathetic, lazy person agnostic. I believe in a higher power, not a 'god' perse. I believe that the chance of the right chemicals forming life didn't happen.
A god is nothing more than a belief. every belief changes. Everyone has their own.

[Canon]

I mean did your 'god' specifficaly tell you the reason we are here? Does 'god' have a reason or purpose for us?

Are any of these questions directly related to the existance of god?

[squeak]

canon]I mean did your 'god' specifficaly tell you the reason we are here? Does 'god' have a reason or purpose for us?

Are any of these questions directly related to the existance of god?

where is the bathroom?

[acme420]

Lets assume there was a nuclear strike all around the globe. everything is destroyed except small pockets or people here and there around the earth. mostly children, and lets say anyone who believed in god abolished the belief of god and forever more god was never mentioned or spoken of again. 1000years later the world has been largely rebuilt and civilization has returned to a state of normalcy.


does god still exist? no one believes or knows of god. does god still exist?

[Nefarious]

yes

[Community Nub Shauce]

ancient civilizations had gods... it would come up no matter what, atleast any type of religion, and gods of course.

[cr0nick]

ancient civilizations didnt have the knowledge in science that we do today

[Community Nub Shauce]

only reason we have science today is because they discovered the earlier sciences first.

[Doc Wattson]

Lets assume there was a nuclear strike all around the globe. everything is destroyed except small pockets or people here and there around the earth. mostly children, and lets say anyone who believed in god abolished the belief of god and forever more god was never mentioned or spoken of again. 1000years later the world has been largely rebuilt and civilization has returned to a state of normalcy.


does god still exist? no one believes or knows of god. does god still exist?

If God existed before then God exists after. If yolu are to imply there is no God now therefor when all records of him are gone then so will the idea then no, there won't be a God.

That is the problem with your hypothetical. You should ask is God an idea or a fact...then again that is what this thread is about.

To sum up, you've wasted all our time.

-Gary-

[[NAKED] Young DVP]

No, I think gNd's method was the ol' "If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around, does it make a noise?" bit.

The idea started before, it would most likely start again. In different form perhaps, but there are too many unanswerable questions out there for such beliefs to not sprout up.

[acme420]

its like with the ancient egyptians and the greeks and romans of 1-2000 years ago. everyone who believed in osiris, and ra, and zeus, and athena, hera, etc.. are long dead. we today have discovered their ruins and deciphered their ancient texts and we see that they used to believe in gods who controlled the earth and did as they pleased and would bless you as long as you worshipped them. we dont believe that, and so we call it mythology. yet people believe the same things, just changed a little. instead of many gods, its one god, instead of taking what you treasured most in life with you in your grave to use in the afterlife, in the afterlife its all there for the taking, the bad people still go to hell or hades where they are punished for eternity. and just like we dismiss their ideals as silly fairy tales or mythology, so in the future when the time of christianity, and islam and bhuddism is at an end will they dismiss everything people today believe in as mythology.

i see religion as just a way people wrap their minds around what they cant understand. the way they did it in the past and will most suredly do in the future. doesnt make it right. just a coping mechanism. i like to believe theres a secrect conspiracy in the govt designed to control us and make us think we are free when we are not. thats my way of coping with the injustice in the world, where in the richest country in the world people still go to sleep hungry, and we spend more money making weapons of destruction than we spend on healthcare annually.

[Canon]

the bad people still go to hell or hades where they are punished for eternity.

All dead people went to hades.

gg

[Doc Wattson]

Again, you are talking about God being an idea. If God is just an idea, not a fact, then when all people who support that idea die the idea will fade. If God is a fact then if all the people who know of his existence die he will still be around.

If Ra is real he'd still be around even if no one worships him. If Ra was fake then he be gone if we didn't know of his worshipers.

So again, your question doesn't mean anything. You are trying to prove God is fake by saying if everyone who believed in him died we wouldn't even know of him.

As far as the rest of that post, about the government keeping you down, you really need to educate yourself on more issues. Flame me all you want but you seem to be one of the biggest conspiracy theory/"people above me suck" people on these forums. Anyone who isn't helping you get high is evil and pulling their evil puppet strings to keep you down.

Sorry, I know I am jumping on you but I am getting so sick of uneducated, close minded, over simplistic answers becoming acceptable. People need to start informing themselves on issues in an intelligent matter rather then grasping at straws for answers that make them feel conformable and least responsible.

Yes, this rant does have to do with religion. So many religious people will only accept answers that fit into their contrived and ill conformed world. No, I'm not saying all religious people are close minded and unaccepting of facts, so please don't say I am over generalizing. When movements like creationism are put into motion to fight new science like evolution it just drives me up a wall. I'm pro - Iraq war but fact is a large % of the people that are pro Iraq war are only so because they are christians/chathloics and we are fighting Muslims. It's a holy war to them and that makes us just as bad as the people attacking us because we aren't Islamic.

God or no God, start educating yourself on issues before you start calling people evil and/or stupid. Before you fight for one side of an issue try to see what the other side's prospective is. There is a reason in debate classes they often make you debate for the side you don't believe in. Until you truly understand that other side's point of view you can't honestly call it wrong.

-Gary-

[squeak]

There are a lot of stereo types in that rant Doc.

[[gh]Spurty]

only reason we have science today is because they discovered the earlier sciences first.
How very scientific.

Back to gods .. yes, they all exist in books. So do many other characters and people look to them for guidance at times.

The ammount of times I've cried out for some of Sherlock Holmes's clarity of thought when stumped with some issue. I even hear GnG calls out for Harry Potter when GnG is doing Potions with Contra.

Notice that marketing and documentation teams appear to exist before gods (there is no, record which is the indicator of a god, before someone put gods on paper or whatever materials they had).

Of course, the marketing types made it so that it was evil to buy into any other god. At the moment, the Muslim Marketriods are running amuck with the Muslim 'good will' budgets. When the interest rates go back up, there will be a brief period of realisation and the books will be readjusted to balance the deficit.

Humans are wonderfully weak minded creatures, their will is usually not their own and they have 'shiney things' (or shoes) dangled in front of them by marketriods. Heck, if we read into this enough, the logical conclusion is that Marketing people are all gods, but they are clever enough to point us all off to look in places we'll never find any proof either way becuase people tend to poke gods with large pointy sticks or burn them on stakes for giggles/proof.

When a disaster occurs, those poor gits that died in it went to somewhere special and its all part of a bigger picture. What we all want to believe is that there is a reason we are all here ; its the big question.

However, personally I would prefer to know when and where I am going to die so that I can live my life accordingly. There are some events I'd like to squeeze in before I die

[acme420]

As far as the rest of that post, about the government keeping you down, you really need to educate yourself on more issues. Flame me all you want but you seem to be one of the biggest conspiracy theory/"people above me suck" people on these forums. Anyone who isn't helping you get high is evil and pulling their evil puppet strings to keep you down.

Sorry, I know I am jumping on you but I am getting so sick of uneducated, close minded, over simplistic answers becoming acceptable. People need to start informing themselves on issues in an intelligent matter rather then grasping at straws for answers that make them feel conformable and least responsible.

-Gary-


I dont appreciate you calling me simple minded no matter how cleverly disguised you thought it was. Just because you think you know everything doesnt make it true. Who's to say what goes on in washington and what goes on behind closed doors, are you some sort of psychic? its no secret that bush and kerry are members of a so called "secret" society called the skulls made up of a buncha rich white guys. it might just be a fraternity, it might be something more. neither one of us knows. I didnt say the man was keeping me down, no one is keeping me down, but the guys with all the money are keeping everyone else down. its the way the system is designed. the rich guys have it easy and everyone else has it shitty. no conspiracy thats just fact. conspiracy theorist you call me, i dont recall any conspiracy theories except the one i said jokingly in the little shoutbox 1 time, and from there you seem to be on some sort of personal mission to assault my intelligence.

I dont know what bug crawled up your ass, maybe you hate the fact that im a ganja smoker, or the fact that i download warez, or whatever. but please have a can of raid and lets return to the civil discussion we were having previously.

[Doc Wattson]

I never said I think I know everything. You totally mis understood what I was saying. I was saying get to know someone else's point of view before you tear it apart. I don't believe in God either, I even think religion has caused many problems we have today. I am not gonna jump all over religious people calling them stupid. I often see in your debate type post a lack of desire to get to know the other side of an issue. You tear things down and then imply people are stupid to disagree with you.

So if I am not a psychic then I can't say there isn't a secret cult in Washinton of rich white men keeping poor people down? That's just stupid. Just because you can't prove something doesn't mean its true. Hey, I have a 5 foot penis. What, are you phyic, you can't prove I don't.

Part of what pisses me off about the rich vs poor arguement is that my family use to be very rich and now is poor and I know how it is on each side of the fence and I know how each side blames the other side for their problems. My dad ran the New York Offices of Cantor Fitzgerald. My Dad ran Euro brokers. My Dad founded TGB. I've had both Bloomberg and John Corzine to my house for dinner when I grew up. They are now they Mayor of NYC and a Senator for NJ. I know people who are very rich an influential., like Larry Sapher and Charlie Gross. These are good people. Charlie spends so much time and energy helping inner city kids. He just took 10 poor, black kids to Eygypt for an archlogical dig he is funding. Charlie is a great man but he also use to run one of the top 10 buisnesses in the country. According to people like you he is evil because he is rich and ran a big company.

I was talking to a friend about the world view about the USA. He was saying how he wishes the world would solve their own problems instead of constantly asking us for help. He stated even if we did help we couldn't help them all. We then spun off into a conversation that the rich should help the poor more, and they are just sitting on all their money while the lower and middle class suffer. I pointed out to him he was being a hypocrite. To the rest of the world we are the rich jerks who don't help. He can't on one hand say let the 3rd world contries figure it out themselves while on the other hand say the rich have to help poorer americans.

I'm just sick of everyone making the other side of an issue evil. Why must everyone who disagrees with you be evil. What's worse is when you say the other side knows they are evil and doing evil things purposly. Disagree with religious people but they aren't evil. Disagree with the rich but they aren't evil. Hardly anyone, ever considers themselfs evil. Hell, Hitler didn't think he was evil. He did what he did because he believed in it. It's time to stop branding the other side of issues evil and instead try to understand them then debate them intelligently. God forbid that you might find out you are wrong, or worse yet there is more then one answer to the question posed.

-Gary-

[krazyjuice]

Listen Doc, Gnd is trying to say ( in my opinion, mind you) that peoples 'gods' are correlated with the intangible. Intangible meaning anything significant that they do not understand. Greeks, Phoenecians, Egyptians, Babylonians, Romans, Persians all had a polytheistic belief system. Becuase they were relatively primitive and didn't understand things like weather, the seas, death. So what did they do? Make a god for each intangible.

Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but one should also make an effort to find knowledge of mysticism before trying to share their beliefs.